Posts by Save My Soul

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Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

What, now you want specific names of black vandals, assholes and criminals? Bill Cosby makes reference to the trend, and I agree. Bury your head in the sand, the black destructive criminal trend remains unaddressed because people like you make it an untouchable racial issue.

I apologize for not being clear. I obviously have the problem of NOT adressing your points directly. I do not ask you to name anyone. You are really missing the point on this.

You say that the majority (that means 20 million people or more) have an attititude problem. I ask you to validate this (that means to offer proof other than your personal biased opinion). Is this from watching MTV?

If you read my post and understand them, you will clearly see that I agree with William H. (Bill Cosby). Your point above is......................

I am a 3rd generation Republican and I do not ignore any problems in the Black community. I volunteer many hours in poor neighborhoods. Again, read the post and respond accordingly.

Did you notice I respond to your items individually. It should be clear to understand and respond to my points. You and Silver Surfer have missed the boat several times. Most JW's have very good debating techniques. They comment in the meetings and can make an intelligent response to a question. Going off on unrelated tangents is not a characteristic of the typical once baptized JW.

Just an observation, no disrespect is intended.

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

Fact, African American population in prison is outnumbering all others. This shows something is wrong and not that whitie is out to take down the black man, either. Something is wrong and Cosby is pointing it out and offering some advice to stop this. Most young black men I know, look up to leaders in the black community (Rappers, professional athetes) terrible examples to look at.

Fact: Most poor blacks get arrested again and again and again.....................perpetual cycle............POVERTY.

Are you reading my post? How many black men do you really know? Just out of the 40 million. Are most of them poor, or do their parents make over 100k a year?

I mentor at three inner-city High schools so I have a sizable control group to base my opinions on. I think if you read the post throughly, you will see I agree that Bill was correct!!! 100% correct. I question the premise that you pose the question upon. Was I not clear? I have taken your points and respond to each individually. I apologize if this is not understandable to you. i say this because in your response, you connect points that are irrevelant to the previous dialogue. You either do not understand or do not read the previous post. Again, I mean no disrespect to you, this is just my observation.

As for Obama
I actually liked this guy and yet I doubt he will be elected. It will have very little to do with being black, it will have to do with the Clinton.

What connection does Barak have within our dialogue? Please read the last two sentences above. If you decide to respond, connect the DOTS, not unrelated tangents.

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

By large, the black cominity in America has a severe attitude problem.

Again, what is this based on. Was you success in life limited because of a black man. I actually have heard this a lot. Mainly from tenents. You ~~make~~ attempt to make a point with no substance.

Am I missing something here or did you move on like the silver surfer?

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Do you "shun" posters?

by changeling in

jw
friends

you don't need to name names (please don't), but do you delibertely not post on certain people's threads?

is it to make a point?

is it because you don't like what they stand for?

Save My Soul

not me.
If the topic interests me I will post on the thread regardless of who started it

Ditto, it is a message board. Everyone is allowed to think differently. Although, some post can help me to clearly identify the intelligence level of a few.

Some have left the religion because of doctrine, others because they may be a loser and can not finish anything they start. Just an observation I have become aware of lately.

..........and of course, just my opinion.

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

Go walk at night at any Detroit 'park'. If you survive the stroll I'll give you examples. By large, the black cominity in America has a severe attitude problem. Voting for Obama will not save your butt when getting mugged.

I would never vote for Obama, I am a Republican. 3rd generation. The cult leader is looking great. (Mitt Romney). I have traveled a great deal. I have visited many inner-city neighborhoods. I grew up in South LA. I have been to many black neighborhoods without fear. It is not a racial issue, but a class issue. One of money.

I am not seeing your connection to the topic and your argument. Were you attempting to follow the topic?

Please validate your point, if there is one.

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

The black leaders have forgotten Martin Luther King, the real deal; Most of today's youth's idols are junkie and violent rappers. The erosion in black political gains can be dumped squarely on black voter apathy and self-inflicted social alienation in the name of coolness and starting each sentence with Yo!

This type of generalizing solidifies my point. Thank you.

Just curious, how many black youth do you personally know that this would apply to? I personally mentor in the inner-city. This is not the case in my opinion. Most of the black VOTE that I know.

So again, what do you validate each point of your argument with? Facts or Channel 4 news?

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

I agree too. I also think my point is very valid.

Again, you connect Bill and blacks not paying phone bills, as if no one of another race does this. A weak and shallow point in my opinion.

In that I gave an example of something that was intended to be a help for low income families, that has in turn become an example of abuse and by a certian part of our population in that area that is noticable.

Low income or BLACK? I thought you initially said black. I may be wrong. (if I am not, this is obviously sarcasm). As an out-of-state property owner, I can draw the same conclusions regarding the whites in Austin, Texas. Round Rock and Pflugerville to be exact. As mentioned, generalizing and stereotyping on my part would be ignorant.

Sorry, I wish I could agree with you and think I was way off, but I would then go to work tomorrow and feel like a hypocrit for not saying what really is happening. These things; programs, assistents, etc. Were not put in place to be abused!!!!!!! Abuse should be treated as illegal and not some god given right to cheat out people. I have not even begun to explain what I know about, what is happening in New Orleans.

Isn't crossing the border from Mexico illegal as well? Is it abused? ........and NO, that does NOT make it right. This issue affects YOU directly, yet NO commentary.

I think you should examine the crime of low income Blacks, Whites and Mexicans. There may be a few similarties in govermental abuse.

I do hope you have a great day at work tomorrow. I look forward to sharing your commentary with some of my co-workers. It puts an exclamation point to an earlier argument.

Again, you connect Cosby and black people not paying their bills. You are GENERALIZING. Of the 40 million blacks in America, how many do NOT pay their phone bill? My point is, this is probably an issue of being low income and NOT race.

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

After marriage, in an effort to give back, I keep foster children in the Antelope Valley (in California). We were given 2 white children. The mother was our age, early 20's at the time with 8 children. Her child (girl) was allegedly molested by her crystal-meth using/selling boyfriend. At our group meetings, many care-givers had similar experiences. I did NOT form the opinion that MOST young white girls were a low-life like this pathetic mother I dealt with. Again, MOST care-givers had the same experience, but no stereo-type was formed.

By the way, this young white lady (and I use that term loosely) and a few of my white tenents in Austin, Texas did NOT pay their phone bills as well. I have documented proof of this. It was very difficult to contact them because their phones were constantly OFF. Numbers always changing. Socio-economic, not race.

Yet, I do NOT generalize all caucasians and young white females.

I, like you am NOT a racist.

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

I agree too. I also think my point is very valid. In that I gave an example of something that was intended to be a help for low income families, that has in turn become an example of abuse and by a certian part of our population in that area that is noticable. Sorry, I wish I could agree with you and think I was way off, but I would then go to work tomorrow and feel like a hypocrit for not saying what really is happening. These things; programs, assistents, etc. Were not put in place to be abused!!!!!!! Abuse should be treated as illegal and not some god given right to cheat out people. I have not even begun to explain what I know about, what is happening in New Orleans.

You connect Cosby and his statement with your job as a telemarketer (or something similar) and black people. My point is, he is BLACK, he speaks from his personal experience. He is involved with SOLVING the problem, NOT JUST MAKING WORTHLESS COMMENTS.

I draw an analogy of how I could generalize and stereotype in the same fashion with young white females (if you read the post). I do not. It would be ignorant of me to do that.

The problem that you speak of is NOT limited to black people. Have you ever visited the Appalacian Mountains? Are you familar with the abuse that occurs there? I have trained many individuals from that part of the country, as well as the South. I could easily stereotype and generalize as well. This form of abuse may be closer linked to socio-economic factors vs. race. I do NOT see race as a factor. I do not see your connection. Your connection makes me think you may have personal issues that need resolving. This of course is JUST my opinion. No offense is intended.

As previously mentioned, as a staunch conservative, I think he his right.

47

Bill Cosby, seems to be right.

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i work for a telecommunications company and in so doing, i deal with a lot of fraud.

now, what i am about to say could come across as racist and i hope people read the whole thing to get what i am saying and know i am not racist (... to add though, i really am past caring what people think).

in the state of north carolina, you can run up your phone bill to $1000's and $1000's and by law you only have to pay basic local service to keep services on.

Save My Soul

Bill doesn't practice everything he preaches.

Personally, I do not think it matters. Many people are hypocrites. William H. is a multi-millionaire. He lives well. Many blacks with the problems he mentioned are poor. They are in a perpetual cycle of medicority and failure. He words of wisdom can provide direction for the blind. It can help them STOP the cycle and improve their lives. Remember the old saying of hypocrites, "Do as I say, not as I do!!!" Especially if it helps you.